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Zoom B2.1u et B9

#1
30/05/2009 14:12:19
 Salut à tous!

Je possède donc le pédalier Zoom B2.1u, très pratique pour la travail à la maison, la découverte des effets, l'accordeur, la boîte à rythme... mais qui ne remplace pas une bonne pédale spécialisée au niveau du son (je ne me permettrais pas d'utiliser les effets de ce pédalier en live, je les trouve assez brouillons).

Je me suis donc renseigné sur le B9, de Zoom aussi, et j'ai vu toutes les fonctionnalités qu'il avait. Sur ce plan là, il a l'air vraiment complet, pratique, et facile d'utilisation. Mais je me demandais surtout si les effets du B9 étaient plus propres, plus pros, et surtout utilisables en concerts, que ceux du B2.

Voilà, merci d'avance, et à bientôt!

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#2
30/05/2009 14:46:31
 les effets de la B2 ne sont pas "brouillons" (à par bien sur les disto) Si tes exigences sont des exigences de pro: passe par des pédales à 150€ piéce.

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#3
30/05/2009 16:38:19
Je crois que la technologie du B9 est sensiblement la même que celle du B2, basée sur le processeur ZFX-3. Le B9 a en plus un processeur émulateur de lampe qui donne peut-être un son plus chaud et une meilleure simulation d'amplis. J'ai l'impression que le B9 semble plus prévu pour la scène du fait des multiples boutons qui doivent permettre de mieux sélectionner les effets. Il fait Loop Station, ce que le B2 ne fait pas mais j'ai l'impression qu'il n'y a plus la petite boite à rythme intégrée.
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#4
30/05/2009 16:43:53
 effectivement il n'y a plus la BAR. La lampe (n'en déplaise au grincheu ) fait son boulot. Les disto sont beaucoup plus soignées. On peut  créer un patch et l'utiliser de 2 marnières: soit on le joue avec tout les effets, soit on passe en "manual" (il aurait du dire en" footal ) et laà on utlise l'ensemble des boutons 1,2,3,4 pour déclancher ou non des effets ( ça fait un peut comme dse pédales en ligne)
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#5
30/05/2009 16:48:52
Ils auraient laissé la BAR je crois que je l'aurais acheté. Mais là je vais garder mon B2, de toute façon je ne fais pas de scène... C'est tout de mêm bizarre qu'ils aient viré la BAR.
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#6
30/05/2009 16:51:54
  La BAR est bien absente de la B9. Par contre il y a maintenat la possibilité d'enregistrer des boucles (par encore essayer)
C'est une bonne machine avec une liste exhaustive d'effets et de réglage...
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#7
31/05/2009 01:19:54
erix
Ils auraient laissé la BAR je crois que je l'aurais acheté. Mais là je vais garder mon B2, de toute façon je ne fais pas de scène... C'est tout de mêm bizarre qu'ils aient viré la BAR.
 
Pas mieux : la boîte à rythmes est une des fonctions que j'utilise le plus sur cette pédale (d'ailleurs, petit regret : je crois qu'ils n'ont pas mis de pattern de clave, dommage pour la musique latine).
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#8
31/05/2009 08:28:39
 J'ai fait pas mal de concert avec ma B2 et franchement c'est un bonne bêbête même sur "scène". J'ai falli vendre ma B2 mais je la garde pour la BAR
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#9
31/05/2009 11:07:48
Avoue bertie, t'as des actions chez zoom ! =D
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#10
31/05/2009 11:11:49
par rapport a la boss me 20 b...c'est quoi la difference..???
elle sont presque au meme prix... ?
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#11
31/05/2009 11:23:43
 Spécification B9.1ut

Accelerator Features 12AU7 Tube
Combining the raw processing power of the ZFX-3 with the 12AU7 tube accelerator produces richer harmonics and organic tone. By adjusting the mix balance, the thick characteristics of the 12AU7 tube and the striking clarity of the ZXF-3 can be adjusted so that saturation is natural and focused.

Advanced ZFX-3 Audio Engine
The outstanding performance of the B9.1ut is made possible by its ultra-fast, 32-bit, ZFX-3 engine. This highly sophisticated processor means that every nuance of your performance is delivered as you imagine it, because the power of this processor reproduces every possible amp model and effect with true clarity.



96 kHz Sampling Provides High Resolution for Sonic Accuracy
 

Delivering high-resolution, 96kHz sampling processing with 24-bit A-to-D and D-to-A conversion, the B9.1ut rivals the processing equipment found in the finest studios. This means that the wide pitch, timbre and dynamic ranges created by modern bass styles are handled without degradation, ensuring clear, transparent sound.


The world of bass at your feet.
 

With the world's most famous bass amplifiers and stomp boxes at your disposal, you have all the low-end drive and sonic transparency of timeless classics. From Ampeg, Fender, and Marshall as well as more recent models such as Hartke, SWR, and Aguilar, a whole world of bass tone comes complete on the B9.1ut.


Create the perfect bass tone for any situation
 

The B9.1ut's cabinet simulator emulates the low-frequency characteristics and sonic behavior of vintage and modern bass speaker cabinets. This gives you the full dynamic range of bass you get from large speaker cabinets even when playing through a flat-response system such as headphones, studio monitors and even when using a small practice amp. Turn the cabinet simulator off to return to a direct amp sound. For live or studio performance, the B9.1ut gives you the right tone when and where you need it.


Onboard 6-band semi-parametric equalizer
 

A built-in 6-band semi-parametric equalizer provides tone flexibility and control on a level that rivals gear found in studios around the world. Center frequencies can be adjusted for each band, and the EQ curve can be set to peaking (narrow/wide), shelving, low-pass, or high-pass. Dedicated knobs in the preamp section make it easy adjust the boost or cut amount for each band.


112 effects specially tuned for bass
 

The B9.1ut offers a versatile collection of 112 effect types arranged in 10 modules. They are optimized for the dynamic and wide-range signal created by the modern bass. The effect selection includes limiter/compressor for controlling peak levels and ensuring uniformity, auto wah and resonance filter, octaver to produce ultra low notes, defret to simulate a fretless bass, detune for a chorus effect and other eminently usable choices. There are high-quality studio type effects such as delay with hold function up to 5000 milliseconds, vintage tape echo, stereo chorus with exceptional sonic clarity, flanger, phaser, pitch shifter and more. The module insert position can be specified for the preamp section and wah/filter effects, to accommodate even more advanced creativity.


Versatile bass synthesizer for additional flexibility
 

With its full bass synthesizer onboard, the B9.1ut provides modern, fully editable synth sounds. Its mono synthesizer offers a choice of three waveform settings: sawtooth, square and PWM. The 4-voice synthesizer creates rich and deep harmonic voicings. You can also use the foot switches to play the pedal synthesizer. Two types of filtering with excellent tracking are also available.


80 artist preset patches for stage and studio
 

In addition to its vintage amp and stomp box models, the B9.1ut comes preprogrammed with artist-created bass sound settings from major genres such as Rock, Jazz, and Funk. Doug Wimbish (Living Color), JD DeServio (Black Label Society) and Eric Struthers (Aaron Neville) have each provided customized preset patches. And you can save your own original patches with the enough storage capacity for another 80 patches.


Z-Pedal opens up new dimensions
 

The built-in Z-type expression pedal developed by Zoom captures up/down and sideways movement for controlling more effect parameters with subtle changes. In addition to conventional expression pedal parameters such as volume, wah, or pitch shift, you can control the mixing balance between direct and synthesizer/drive sound, adjust the rate of modulation effects or control the delay/reverb mixing level. The Z-pedal lets you build highly complex sounds by assigning up to four parameters each in the vertical and horizontal direction. Of course, there are also effects specially designed for use with the Z-pedal for a completely new realm of bass pedal performance.

   
 
<RECOMMENDED SETTING OF Z PEDAL>
VERTICAL PARAMETER HORIZONTAL PARAMETER
VOLUME DELAY MIX
VOLUME MODULATION RATE
WAH DRIVE GAIN
WAH PITCH SHIFT
DELAY TIME DELAY FEEDBACK
FORMANT SHIFT(a-i) FORMANT SHIFT(i-u)

Looping function records phrases of up to 5.4 seconds
 

With its looping feature, the B9.1ut lets you record a bass line and create additional layers over the loop. You can overdub several phrases in real time, or play a solo with looped phrases in the background for a great live performance.


Advanced user interface optimized for use on stage
 
Designed with all the functionality and ease of a traditional amplifier, the preamp section on the B9.1ut lets you make gain, level, and 6-band EQ adjustments on the fly. In every aspect, the advanced user interface of the B9.1ut is designed for stress-free, efficient operation, letting you achieve the tone you want so you can focus on your performance. The foot switches are highly flexible and can be assigned to patch changes, bank changes, module on/off switching, hold delay on/off switching, bypass/mute control, tap tempo input and more.

World's fastest patch change : 7ms
 

With the fastest patch change available, the B9.1ut eliminates dropout when switching patches. Its record-setting speed of 0.007 seconds means the B9.1ut literally never misses a beat. Change the patch in the beginning, middle or end of a solo, or any other time during your performance, without dropout.


Built-in auto-chromatic tuner also supports multi-string bass
 

The auto-chromatic tuner can be called up instantly. Bright LED indicators make the note readout easy to see on a dark stage. Its calibration range is 435 to 445 Hz, and quiet tuning is also enabled, for enhanced, onstage flexibility.


Zoom Noise Reduction (ZNR) Onboard
 

The built-in ZNR circuit developed by Zoom provides optimized performance for bass. While minimizing any alteration of the original sound, ZNR removes unwanted noise. Even the tails of long sustain notes come out beautifully, with natural release that is ultra-quiet.


Low noise: 120dB S/N ratio and -100dB noise floor
 

Specifications such as a signal-to-noise ratio of 120dB and noise floor of -100dB demonstrate a level of performance that is unsurpassed. Background noise is a thing of the past, leaving you free to produce only superbly transparent bass performances.


Sturdy metal chassis and tough enclosure
 

The solid metal chassis ensures that the unit can stand up to the rigors of use on stage. On the road or in the studio, the B9.1ut will not let you down. The sleek rounded shape of the sturdy enclosure and its chrome-plated switches and knobs are as elegant as they are durable, proving there is no sacrificing beauty for brawn.


DI Functionality with Stereo XLR Connectors
 

The B9.1ut has a built-in set of stereo XLR outputs that lets you establish a balanced signal path for clean sound. Go directly to a mixing console or PA system without additional gear. A convenient pre/post switch makes it possible to use the effects from the main outputs without passing through the A/D converter when using the XLR outputs.


USB audio interface
 

The USB port on the B9.1ut provides audio interface capability for recording to digital audio software. To utilize the sounds of the B9.1ut in a computer-based recording environment, simply connect the unit via USB to your computer. The B9.1ut comes bundled with Cubase LE 4 so you can start creating music right away. And because playback from the software application can be monitored on the B9.1ut itself, you can record and monitor with no latency.



Supported OS: Windows XP / Vista
Mac OS X 10.4 or later

* For details about the bundled software "Cubase LE 4". --> Click Here

AUX IN jacks accommodate external sources
 

External sources such as a CD or MP3 player can be connected to the AUX input for use as backing in a jam session. Or use the connectors as a stereo line input for the USB audio interface.


External send/return loop connectors
 

A compact or rackmount effect or other device can be connected in an external loop and used as part of a patch. Send/return levels as well as on/off status are stored as part of the patch. With the B9.1ut, you'll find new ways to use your favorite effects and enhance your creativity in many ways.


MIDI Interface Onboard
 

The ability to exchange MIDI messages with other devices opens up a wealth of performance and data management possibilities. Switch patches in conjunction with a MIDI enabled preamp, or use the unit as a real-time controller for external MIDI equipment. Connecting the B9.1ut via its MIDI interface to a computer allows the use of dedicated editor/librarian software to edit and store patch data.




 
?EFFECT LIST

COMP
 
PREAMP
Compressor Dual Comp   Ampeg SVT Super Bass
M Comp Limiter   SWR Ampeg B15
      Acoustic Aguilar
WAH/EFX1
  Bassman Hartke
Auto Wah Auto Resonance   Polytone G-Krueger
Auto Filter Octave   Trace WalterWds
Tremolo 4 Stage Phaser   Tube Pre Sans Amp
8 Stage Phaser Fixed Phaser   TS9 ODB-3
Ring Modulator Defret   MXR D.I.+ Fuzz Face
Slow Attack Splitter   Metal Zone Big Muff
Vox Wah Bass Wah   Digi Fuzz Standard Synth
Pedal Resonance X-Wah   Synth Talk Vintage Synth
X-Phaser X-Vibrato   Mono Synth 4 Voice Synth
      Pedal Synth  
         
ZNR (Noise Reduction System)
 
6 Band Semi-Parametric EQ
       
MOD/EFX2
 
DELAY
Chorus Stereo Chorus   Delay Ping Pong Delay
Detune Modulation Delay   Echo Ping Pong Echo
Flanger Pitch Shifter   Analog Delay Reverse Delay
Pedal Pitch Vibrato   Air Loop
Step Delay   Sound On Sound  
Tape Echo Dynamic Delay      
Dynamic Flanger Mono Pitch  
REVERB
Harmonized Pitch Pedal Mono Pitch   Hall Room
Cry Reverse Delay   Spring Arena
Bend Chorus Comb Filter   Tiled Room Modern Spring
Air Auto Wah   Early Reflection Multi Tap Delay
Auto Resonance Auto Filter   Pan Delay Ping Pong Delay
Z-Echo X-Flanger   Ping Pong Echo Auto Pan
X-Step Z-Step   Z-Delay Z-Dimension
Z-Pitch Z-MonoPitch   Z-Tornado  
Z-Talking        


TOP PANEL
 
REAR PANEL


B9.1ut SPECIFICATIONS

?Effect Types:112 ?Effect Modules:10 ?Maximum Simultaneous Effects:10 ?Patch Memory:User 80 + Preset 80, Total 160 ?Sampling Frequency:96kHz ?A/D Conversion:24bit, 64times over-sampling ?D/A Conversion:24bit,128times over-sampling ?Signal Processing:32bit ?Frequency Response:20Hz-40kHz +1.0dB, -3.0dB(10kOload) ?Bass Input:1/4" phone jack(Rated input level:-10dBm, Input impedance:1MO) ?AUX Input:1/8" stereo phone jack(Rated input level: -10dBm, Input impedance:10kO) ?External Return:1/4" phone jack(Rated input level: -10dBm/+4dBm) ?Line Output(L/MONO, R):2x1/4" phone jack(Maximum output level:+11dBm/Output load impedance:10kO or more, Output Impedance:1kO or less) ?Headphone Output:1/4" stereo phone jack(Rated output: 60mW/32O load, 20mW/300O load, Output impedance:47O) ?External Send:1/4" phone jack(Rated output level: -10dBm/+4dBm) ?Balanced Output:2xXLR Connector(Output impedance:100O/HOT-GND, COLD-GND; 200O/HOT-COLD) ? Control Input:Foot Switch/Expression Pedal ?Tube Circuitry:12AU7 ?MIDI:IN /OUT ?USB Interface:16bit, 32kHz/44.1kHz/48kHz ?Display:2digit 7segment LED, backlit LCD ?Power Requirements:DC12V, 3A ?Dimensions:515(W)x235(D)x81(H)mm ?Weight:4.5kg ?Supplied Accessory:AC adaptor(AD-13) *0dBm=0.775Vrms

*0dBm=0.775Vrms


?Windows(R) is a registered trademark of Microsoft Corp. ?Mac and Macintosh are registered trademarks of Apple Inc. ?Steinberg and Cubase are registered trademarks of Steinberg Media Technologies GmbH. ?All other trademarks, product names, and company names mentioned in this documentation are the property of their respective owners. ?All features and specifications are subject to change without notice.

 
Spécification ME B

Performance-Based Effects for Bass

Specs

AD Conversion
24-bit + AF method (*)
DA Conversion
24-bit
Sampling Frequency
44.1 kHz
Patches
30 (user)
Nominal Input Level
INPUT: -10 dBu, AUX IN: -18 dBu
Input Impedance
INPUT: 1 M ohm, AUX IN: 22 k ohms
Nominal Output Level
-10 dBu
Output Impedance
2 k ohms
Display
7 segments, 2 characters LED
Controls
SFX/1 pedal, COMP/2 pedal, DELAY/3 pedal, Expression pedal
Connectors
INPUT jack (1/4 inch phone type), AUX IN jack (Stereo miniature phone type), OUTPUT jacks L/MONO, R (1/4 inch phone type), PHONES jack (Stereo 1/4 inch phone type), FOOT SW jack (1/4 inch TRS phone type), AC Adaptor jack
Power Supply
DC 9 V: Dry battery LR6/R6 (AA) type x 6, AC Adaptor (PSA series: Optional)
Current Draw
90 mA * Expected battery life under continuous use: Alkaline: 13 hours, Carbon: 3.5 hours (These figures will vary depending on the actual conditions of use.)
Accessories
Owner's Manual, Dry battery LR6 (AA) type (alkaline) x 6, Roland Service (Information Sheet)
Options
AC Adaptor: PSA series, Footswitch: FS-6, FS-5U, Connection Cable: Roland PCS-31 (Stereo 1/4 inch phone plug - 1/4 inch phone plug x 2)
Size and Weight
Width
294 mm
11-5/8 inches
Depth
179 mm
7-1/16 inches
Height
54 mm
2-1/8 inches
Weight
1.6 kg
3 lbs. 9 oz.

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#12
31/05/2009 11:38:08
Ils donnent la tension d'alimentation de la lampe?
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#13
31/05/2009 11:42:26
  Non elle est là pour faire beau  (pour les autre: oui et ça marche)
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#14
31/05/2009 12:33:59
  toi aussi non?
Il me tente bien ce multi effet, les caractéristiques sont bonnes pour le prix.
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#15
31/05/2009 14:11:36
BoogieZK
  toi aussi non?

  t'es obliger d'être con?
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#16
31/05/2009 14:15:39
FIGHT !
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#17
31/05/2009 16:43:08
Tu peux enchainer combien d'effets en tout?
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#18
31/05/2009 17:28:09
   ça c'est la copie écran du logiciel:tu as donc 5 effets + le preamp (à lampe ou pas) + cabinet + le total qui sert aux volume, assignation des pédales (2) et plein de truc.
Sur la photo du bas (preamp): n'est pas représenté les boutons de réglages "tube " et "solid state" car étrangement il ne sont pas programables

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#19
31/05/2009 17:35:06
  C'est vachement complet quand même, ça m'intéresse pas mal cette histoire.
Tu l'a payé combien toi?
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#20
31/05/2009 17:47:22
 200€ chez Thomann
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#21
31/05/2009 18:46:40
 zerci !
Et toi, Mjinsk, t'es convaincu?
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#22
31/05/2009 21:26:12
 Ca m'a l'air assez complet... après, comme dit Bertrand, s'acheter les pédales à l'unité, c'est cher... mais bon, on a le son exact. En même temps, vu le nombre de trucs qu'il y a à bidouiller sur le B9, je pense qu'il y a moyen que ce soit très précis.

Mais j'avoue que vu tout les documents qu'a fourni Bertrand (merci, d'ailleurs ), je vais y réfléchir sérieusement.
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#23
31/05/2009 21:42:38
 c'est le prix qu'est intéressant par rapport au bouzin. les Boss sont beaucoup plus chers non?
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#24
01/06/2009 11:47:33
 Pour le prix de 3 pédales, tu a un multieffet  de bonne facture: c'est vraiment une question de choix.
 A noter aussi la fonction "loop" qui permet de garder sa pédale préférée en l'insérant dans lespatch avec un réglage spécifique de niveau de l'effet pour chaque patch.


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#25
01/06/2009 11:58:53
 Je profite du topic (tu m'en excuseras Mjinsk ) pour demander si sur les multieffets BOSS (type ME50b) tu payes la marque ou bien c'est une qualité au dessus
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#26
01/06/2009 14:51:28
 Pour le prix c'est très compliqué: sur thomann le B9 est passé de 400 à 198 et maintenat je sais pô. Sur la majorité des site il est à env 400
va comprendre
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#27
01/06/2009 16:14:03
  Sur Thomann le B9 est à 311€ et non à 198
http://www.thomann.de/fr/zoom_b91ut.htm

EDIT : La fonction "Créer un lien" ne marche toujours pas chez moi...
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#28
01/06/2009 18:50:59
chez Toto
Zoom B9.1ut
369€ en novembre 2008
189€ en février 2009
311€ aujourd'hui
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